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		<title>Which One&#8217;s the Good Guy? I&#8217;m confused!</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 18:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I took my 16 year old to see Harry Potter 7b this past Saturday like the dutiful father that I am.  I thought the film was a fitting conclusion to Rowling&#8217;s work, but that&#8217;s not what has stuck with me &#8230; <a class="more-link" href="http://padrewarren.net/2011/07/21/which-ones-the-good-guy-im-confused/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href='http://twitter.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwp.me%2FppPUf-oz&count=none&related=&text=Which%20One%26%23039%3Bs%20the%20Good%20Guy%3F%20I%26%23039%3Bm%20confused%21' class='twitter-share-button' data-text='Which One&#039;s the Good Guy? I&#039;m confused!' data-url='http://wp.me/ppPUf-oz' data-counturl='http://padrewarren.net/2011/07/21/which-ones-the-good-guy-im-confused/' data-count='none' data-via='ottodestruct'></a><p>I took my 16 year old to see Harry Potter 7b this past Saturday like the dutiful father that I am.  I thought the film was a fitting conclusion to Rowling&#8217;s work, but that&#8217;s not what has stuck with me most during the past week.</p>
<p>The theatrical trailer for the film <em><a title="Immortals Movie Site" href="http://immortalsmovie.com/splash/" target="_blank">Immortals</a></em> had just ended when a voice from behind me (sounding to be about 6-9 years old) said, &#8220;I&#8217;m confused dad, which one is the good guy?&#8221;</p>
<p>I must admit I was stunned by the statement and I thought that is an apt description of much of the world about us and has implications when taken in light of this past Sunday&#8217;s Gospel from Matthew (Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43) about the wheat and the tares.</p>
<p>It seems to me that we live in a world in which the distinctions between good and evil can be a bit ambiguous. When we read and hear Jesus parable in light of Paul&#8217;s ongoing apologetic about justification by grace through faith in Romans we can learn to trust the time and the seasons to the discernment of God and God&#8217;s angels.</p>
<p>It seems to me that we can become preoccupied with looking for evil behind every tree or under every rock and forget the climax of Paul&#8217;s argument in Romans 8:28, in that goodness can be worked through all things if we remember that our primary work is not to seek out and identify evil, but to love God and neighbor.  It&#8217;s a charge that is a central to a Christian understanding of our primary work in the world as it was to the children of Israel as summarized in the Shema of Deuteronomy 4:6-9.</p>
<p>No question that evil exists. No question evil needs to be confronted and named. No question that God is invested in the ultimate and complete defeat of evil.  However, the last thing, it seems to me, that God needs is a group of confused people who will not discern before they act.</p>
<p>Maybe the ambiguity between good and evil is part of the marketing plan of the producers if <em>Immortals</em>. One thing is for sure. The forces of evil thrive on confusion and hasty action.  Our primary duty is one of love and learning to trust that God will sort out the wheat and the tares in <em>kairos, </em>or God&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<title>Sermon Audio-February 13, 2011</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sixth Sunday after Epiphany Year A RCL Sermon Audio-February 13, 2011 by the Rev&#8217;d Warren Hicks Deuteronomy 30:15-20 1 Corinthians 3:1-9 Matthew 5:21-37 Psalm 119:1-8]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a title="February 13, 2011 Sermon Audio" href="http://www.box.net/shared/ec865zc421">Sermon Audio-February 13, 2011 by the Rev&#8217;d Warren Hicks</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.io.com/~kellywp/YearA_RCL/Epiphany/AEpi6_RCL.html#OLDTEST">Deuteronomy 30:15-20</a><br />
<a href="http://www.io.com/~kellywp/YearA_RCL/Epiphany/AEpi6_RCL.html#EPISTLE">1 Corinthians 3:1-9</a><br />
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		<title>Sermon Audio-January 17, 2010</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Second Sunday after the Epiphany Year C RCL Sermon Audio-January 17, 2010 by the Rev&#8217;d Warren Hicks Isaiah 62:1-5 Psalm 36:5-10 1 Corinthians 12:1-11 John 2:1-11]]></description>
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<p><a href="../../YearC/Epiphany/CEpi2.html#OLDTEST">Isaiah 62:1-5</a><br />
<a href="#PSALM">Psalm 36:5-10</a><br />
<a href="../../YearC/Epiphany/CEpi2.html#EPISTLE">1 Corinthians 12:1-11</a><br />
<a href="../../YearC/Epiphany/CEpi2.html#GOSPEL">John 2:1-11</a></p>
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		<title>Process vs. Outcome</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This past weekend a group of laypeople from St. Luke&#8217;s and I spent two days working with the folks at the Partnership for Missional Church (PMC), a process developed by Church Innovations of Minneapolis.  Simply put, PMC seeks to partner &#8230; <a class="more-link" href="http://padrewarren.net/2009/03/31/process-vs-outcome/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href='http://twitter.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwp.me%2FppPUf-9S&count=none&related=&text=Process%20vs.%20Outcome' class='twitter-share-button' data-text='Process vs. Outcome' data-url='http://wp.me/ppPUf-9S' data-counturl='http://padrewarren.net/2009/03/31/process-vs-outcome/' data-count='none' data-via='ottodestruct'></a><p>This past weekend a group of laypeople from St. Luke&#8217;s and I spent two days working with the folks at the Partnership for Missional Church (PMC), a process developed by <a title="Church Innovations Website" href="http://www.churchinnovations.org/">Church Innovations of Minneapolis</a>.  Simply put, PMC seeks to partner churches together to develop the skills of corporate spiritual discernment.  They facilitate gatherings of congregations, parish leaders and judicatories in a process of community assessment, gifts discernment and capacity building to help Christian communities identify &#8220;God&#8217;s promised and preferred future&#8221; in their common life.</p>
<p>One of the things that I am reflecting on about this weekend was a concept borrowed from physics called the <a title="Wikipedia-Heisenberg uncertainty principle" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle">Heisenberg uncertainty principle</a>.  The overly simple explanation of the principle is that one can determined either the location of a subabtomic particle or its destination, but not both.  The implication for churches and discernment is that we can either control the process or the outcome of discernment, not both.</p>
<p>What seems most applicable about this principle, as applied to churches, is that we can either be faithful to the process of following and discipleship or we can do what we feel like we want to do, we cannot set out to &#8216;have it both ways&#8217;.  Simply put we can either trust God to take us where we are called to go or we can make our best guess as to where that is, go there and wait for God to show up.</p>
<p>It seems to me there&#8217;s an element of fear in either choice.</p>
<p>On the one hand we can hear the words of the author of the letter to the Hebrews as he writes, <strong>&#8220;It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.&#8221; </strong>(10:31) and live with the question of whether or not God is inclined to break our fall, or we can deal with the anxiety of whether or not God will catch up to our plans and bless them ex post facto.</p>
<p>As &#8216;fearful&#8217; as trusting God is in the times of great uncertainty, I believe that we&#8217;d do well to heed the words of the prophet Jeremiah,<strong> &#8220;For surely I know the plans I have for you, says the <span class="sc">Lord</span>, plans for your welfare and not for harm, to give you a future with hope&#8221;</strong> (29:11).  I choose to believe that God has great plans in store for &#8216;The Church&#8217; if we can invest in doing what is ours to do with respect to process and leave the outcome to God.</p>
<p>I close with this most wonderful passage from Ephesians, <strong>&#8220;Glory to God, who by the power at work within us is able to accomplish abundantly far more than all we can ask or imagine, to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus to all generations, for ever and ever. Amen&#8221;</strong><sup class="ww" style="display: none;">21</sup> (3:20-21).</p>
<p>May all our processes be faithful and God&#8217;s preferred and promised future for us all be revealed and sought with passion and courage.</p>
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